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| Ian Giffin (Admin)
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Well, this picture was just sent to me and it reminds me that the pucker factor is only relative, I guess. Please don't anyone send this picture to my beloved Maisie, because just before Bussin' 2005, she said she would never fly in an airplane, but right after Bussin' 2005, she said she would like to fly down next year!! Our little secret, k? Ian www.busnut.com  | ||
| Marc Bourget Rating: N/A |
Plane looks straight and level, what's the problem? That's why they give'em more than one! Looks like someone forgot to twist a camlock or two! Least there's no flames! Onward and Upward | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Just came out of that maintenance facility in Jakarta | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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yea.... looks like a cover/hatch failure more than anything else... no fluid that I can see trailing off anywhere... And hey, it's still attached. :D Besides, if you think THAT'S bad... here's an airplane story for ya... A number of years ago, my parents and I were flying from Minnesota to New Jersey for my uncle's wedding... We flew through some REALLY bad weather, and I was on a wing seat. I've always loved to fly, and this experience didn't dampen my love one bit... So, it's raining, nasty... lightning constantly. The captain comes over the speaker and says that things are ok, that we're heading through some choppy weather and we've been cleared to go to a higher altitude. So.. we begin ascending when BAM... I'm looking out the window when this happens, and I'm only about 12 or so... Lightning hits the wing just a few feet from the window... I'm looking out at this wing with awe because there's a hole... about 3 inches in diameter THROUGH the wing, and I can see lightning flashes through this hole... Well, I'm excited and turn to my mom, she happened to see it too and she's white as a ghost, and being a kid, I'm like, hey! That was cool! Mommy! Do you see the hole in the wing?! I'm YELLING this and my mother's trying to shut me up to keep panic from striking EVERYONE, because at this point, she's just FREAKED.... A few seconds later, the plane starts shaking fairly violently, but then levels off and we're up above the storm... The captain comes over the intercom and says things are OK, nothing major was damaged and that we're on time and gives the ETA in a seemingly calm voice... RIGHT after that (he thinks the intercom is off), we can hear him radio ahead for emergency crews to be on the runway standing by for a possible crash landing, detailing that there's a possible hydraulic failure and there's a problem with the gear... It's really amazing how quiet everything got at that point, and the look on everyone's faces was ghostly. The stewardess comes FLYING by and grabs the intercom headset and tells the captain everyone on the plane just heard the radio call he just put in and to immediately turn off the intercom.... The rest of the flight was uneventful, but I couldn't help but STARE at that hole in the wing.... The landing was normal and uneventful. There was no belly landing, there was no gear failure... it was an electrical glitch of some kind that the lightning goofed with... It was really the one time I should have been truly afraid, but for some reason, I wasn't. I knew it was possible we were going to crash, but... I just wasn't afraid. I wish I still had that blind ignorance of life that I had when I was 12! At any rate... Good pic! -Mac | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Couldn't have been Jakarta - its facing the wrong way - | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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What, the plane or the engine? Hell, engine looks right, front of engine facing back of plane, what's wrong w/that in Jakarta? What we see as a loose shroud is really an air spoiler. | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Oh - must be the reverse engine - | ||
| BrianMCI Rating: N/A |
Reversed engine...huh, what?? If the engine had torn so far loose from it's mounting that it was facing aft... it would come clean off @ 600 mph. The engine is facing forward, the thing showing above the engine in the picture is part of the engine mount, not the wing. Like Marc and Mac say, the maintenance people more than likely forgot to fasten the engine cowling properly. Although I'll bet the engine mount at the very least will require extensive repairs. And if what we don't see of the rest of the cowling hits someone on it's way to the ground...ewww, sorry Charlie! same goes for any building it hits. Brian | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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.... uh .... Brian .... we were kiddin ...... | ||
| Steve 80 Crown Atomic Rating: N/A |
Hahahahahahahaha, Sorry. I know it must have been terrifying to the passengers who could see that. But that was SOOOO predictable. Welcome to the future of airliner maintenance, at least with those carriers that are outsourcing their maint to other countries for lower labor costs. That seriously looks like an Airbus, run by a certain outfit out of New York, which I work on infrequently. Even might have been the one which taxied into a tug at my place several weeks ago, seriously damaging the engine inlet/cowls. They ferried it out unrepaired. Heck, I’d at least wrapped speed tape around the cowls a couple of times. I’m getting more line-maint work for the airlines, and some of them are hilarious to work with. One, just bought some recently certified jets, regular maint is outsourced, so the guy I converse with at the control center has no maintenance experience whatsoever, probably couldn’t fix a tricycle. Not a big deal until the problem I’m trying to fix isn’t covered in the newly-minted maint manual (still has many revisions and rewrites to go). All this guy in maint control can do is reread the manual verbatim to me, over a cell phone, with a dozen jet engines screaming in the backgound The jet is fueled, loaded with pax and bags, the pilot is whining, the airplane cant go until I fix it or legitimately pencil-whip it, and only a computer geek understands what the aircraft computers are saying (they don’t talk nice to each other yet). Oh, and some ops wienie is yelling about the cost of canceling the flight. They desperately want me to fudge something. Since I’m signing the aircraft off as airworthy on my own license, it’s my career on the line. They don’t get any slack. Sorry. Lots of very irate people. Another airline has it’s maint outsourced waaaay overseas, and I’m relying on some guy who speaks very poor English to relay critical maint procedures to me while I work on the jet. He wrongly interchanges words and leaves out words he cannot pronounce. Result is a problem made even worse trying to follow his incorrect procedures, and sometimes even endangers my life. Instead of a 20 minute fix, it takes hours, and everyone is ready to crucify me. Lightning strikes are usually pretty entertaining. They don’t cause much structural damage, but mess with many electrical systems. Funny to see all the emergency vehicles scramble and listen to the pilots quaking voice, because he thinks his aircraft is about to fall apart. He has all these warning lights going off in the cockpit, but if he’d simply used common sense and his checklists, he could have ruled out 99% of them as erroneous. Just fixed a twin engine Cessna 2 weeks ago. Pilot bellied it in elsewhere, bent both props and tore up the bottom of the aircraft. He hung new props on it, strapped the wheels in the down position with scrap metal, and duct-taped the skins together. Didn’t bother to do anything with the engines and since it was a nighttime ferry flight, he didn’t see all the oil streaming over the engine cowls after takeoff. Geez, a 10-year old could’ve figured those engines were torn up internally. Had another funny one 3 months ago. 15million$ bizjet taxies out for takeoff, pilots forget to take the parking brake off, and fail to notice greater thrust needed to taxi. Duh! They fire up and try to take off. Halfway down the runway the brakes/wheels overheat, the tires deflate and catch fire. Super-Pilots abort the takeoff, dutifully follow the emergency procedures burned into their brains, and trigger both fire extinguishers. Unfortunately, the extinguishers are for the engines, not the landing gear. So the aircraft keeps burning until the crash trucks put it out, and now instead of just a $200,000 repair to the gear, they have another $50,000 for rehabbing the engines ( the extinguishing agent is mildly corrosive) and fire bottles. What was even funnier was when I began removing the blown fire bottles, I found one wasn’t even hooked up to the blast tube going to the engine. The last person to install the engine forgot to attach it. Laughed like heck reading the PIC’s 3-page report of how he saved the life of the CEO and “avoided a major tragedy”. I almost personally stopped a 757 from takeoff two weeks ago, because of a poor deice job they did on the wings. Still had over 1/4 inch of ice/slush on the wing. I told the flight attendant I was getting off if they did not deice it again. I don’t know if my message actually got to the cockpit, but they deiced it again. Surprised I didn’t get arrested, but I told the attendant I had enough digital photos of the deice job to defend my actions. Man, having photos is like having the 3rd Armored Division standing directly behind you. People realize it’s no longer a “his-word-against-mine” situation, and quickly think of all the lawsuits they'll get clobbered with. I could go on for hours, even have photos of some of the more interesting incidents, like when a Delta 727 taxied by and the main landing gear broke off. Much better than the circus, although watching them repair it was disturbing. For me, aircraft maintenance has become FAR more entertaining/frightening today than it has ever been in the past decade. I forsee another DC-10/O’Hare wing bolt disaster in the making. Forget the airlines, take a bus. Steve | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
"I forsee another DC-10/O’Hare wing bolt disaster in the making." And that was with AMERICAN mechanics! And unfortunatly an American crew that "followed Da Book " right into the ground! FAST FRED | ||
| Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Darn if the blue had been just a bit darker i could have used those shrouds to fill in around my new rear cap.......... | ||
| Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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Always keep this in mind, it doesn't matter what field, profession, someone ALWAYS GRADUATES LAST IN THEIR CLASS! | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
I have refused to fly for many years, even before 9/11. When you see the shows on tv that discribe why the jets go down and then explain that ALL the jets have the identical problem but the FAA does not force an immmediate fix because the airlines cry that it is too expensive. Then it occurs again later on. UGH! One family tracked a problem down that crashed a 747 and their son died. They got hold of some paperwork they were not supposed to see indicating the FAA lied about the cause. This meant the problem existed on all 747 and would happen again, which it did. FLy, Heck no! I a not interested in those big death traps. Notice that there is an 800 person passenger jet coming on market by AirBus? What a Crash those are gonna make. cd | ||
| Glenn MC-9 Rating: N/A |
I've always had this one rule for my 50 years: "I don't get no higher than pickin' corn, and no lower than diggin' 'taters. Glenn | ||
| J Rating: N/A |
"... Notice that there is an 800 person passenger jet coming on market by AirBus? What a Crash those are gonna make. " That's the A380. Double decker aircraft. I'm currently working on some of the equipment that's going on that plane. I won't fly on it! | ||
| Johnny Rating: N/A |
I won't fly, period. I'd rather travel using a method involving less hassle...like, say, hitchiking. | ||
| Jack Conrad (Jackconrad)
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Ya don't see much from 35,000 feet. I'll take ridin in my bus anyday. Especially on the back roads, that's where you really see America. Jack | ||
| Linda 4104 FL Rating: N/A |
Hey Ian, next time you see Kirby, ask him to tell you about the time he was just at take off speed in a DC-10 in El Salvador when the landing gear ran over a part that dropped off the plane that took off ahead of him. The part (I think he said it was a thrust reverser from a Boeing aircraft) embedded in a tire, exploded that tire and damaged the one next to it. The explosion and rotating tire threw the part through the DC-10's wing, leaving a 3 or 4 foot gaping hole completely through the bottom and top of the wing and ripping out most of the hydraulics just as he was lifting off. Obviously, since he was alive and well at Arcadia, he was able to go back and land, but they had lots of trucks with pretty flashing lights on the ground to meet him. It's strictly ground transportation (bus) for me. | ||
| Ian Giffin (Admin)
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Dear Maisie, Hi honey. I love you. No these aren't REAL stories. Everyone made these up just to frighten you. In fact, it is very safe to fly. But if it were over, it would likely happen in just a couple of minutes and I'm sure that being vaporized in a jet airliner crash is pretty tolerable pain-wise... after all the brain would still be trying to explain that odd deceleration feeling as the electrical circuits in one's brain are finally burnt up and the white light appears. So try to ignore all those nasty fellas... Linda had a nice story with a happy ending, see? Night, night... I'll come back and pick you up from the funny farm tomorrow, as usual. Yes, honey, we'll walk to Florida next year. Sweet dreams. Ian www.busnut.com | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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....... if one of the engines fails ........ how far will the other one take us ........ ...... all the way to the scene of the crash ............ Ron White 2004 | ||
| Brian Brown (Fishbowlbrian)
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The story on this pic and other airline pics: http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/cowling.asp BB | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Niles, there is some new funny math involved in solving your question. If the trip is 1200 mi. and it takes a 2 engine plane to make it, loosing one limits you to 600, Ron's point of impact. Ian: Forget it, your plotting, scheming, and campaign of mis-information has been uncovered. | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
Now, HOLD ON (IAN, look away) I had some info where the big birds have enough engine to navigate, climb and such. If they lose one engine, they can hold altitude in good weather, but can't climb (gonna fly around the mountains rather than over?) They seem way too trusting of the engines and not one parachute aboard. cd | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Ian is going to have to talk himself blue in the face to get Maisie on a plane again if she hits this board. I know, he's already blue in the face, but that's from the cold. | ||
| Bob Oakman (Bobsbus)
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The law of averages isn't too bad for flying and surviving. it's better than driving a car. Mac used up his bad flying luck when he was 12. My wife, Father-In-Law and I were flying from Kansas city to Niagara Falls in a Cesna 250. At about 2 AM, we dipped under the clouds over Cincinnati or Cleveland, don't remember which, to see the lights. We hit a Goose or some kind of large bird. It took the flaps out. We had to do a high speed landing in a terrible cross-wind when we reached Niagara. There was a lot of bouncing on the runway. After landing we saw the damage. A huge dent in the wing with several rivets tore out and a decent sized gap. No cash to get repairs... We flew it back to KC the same way. The gravel runway we landed on in Independence MO was an adventure too. | ||
| John Jewett (Jayjay)
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|@n, tell Maisie that on a day she flies the most dangerous thing she can do (statistically) is to take a shower or drive to the airport. Flying (in the USA) is the safest form of transportaion available. She wouldn't want to fly with me though, since I hit deer from time to time with my planes. Yes, deer ,and no smart-assed Santa Claus jokes either. The plane was a total loss. (Fire) Over 50 deer/aircraft incidents last year. Raise hunting bag limits??? Yea! Cheers...JJ | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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I remember 40 years ago - flying into Manitowoc WI in a DC-3 - had to buzz the runway on first approach to get the cows off it - Have the same experience now flying into Tanmarindo 'International' (LOL) in Costa Rica in french made single engine, short wingspan, 0 glide path, short runway, flying straight into a macadamized 10 foot wide cow infested runway in the jungle - mucho pucker factor there - Niles | ||
| Pat Bartlett (Muddog16)
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John J. statistically speaking number crunching is pretty good ...unless its your number! I have several decent flying stories, both military related, C130 taking off late at nite, during run ups, one of the engines developed a miss, after several tries, they shut down, unloaded all of us grunt types and equipment right there on the tarmack, mechanics show up, they take the engine cowling off...and work on it for several hours, again they try a run up, still misses, shut down more head scratching, more work, all the time i'm trying to sleep in all of this gear laying on the runway, finally they try it again, smooth as a baby's butt this time, they load us all back on that plane, talk about pucker, you couldn't drive a 16p nail up any of our rearends but as you can see i'm still here, i'll save the other story for someother time, i still have sore places from that one! | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
(" flying and surviving. it's better than driving a car ") <<<<<>>>>> My argument has always been... If a car loses power, it just stops, everyone gets out and calls for help. If a Plane looses power, when it stops, its at 200 mph into the first stationary thing it meets. In a car you have control to stop and get out. In a plane, you have no control and no parachute. In a car accident, the average crash is survivable. In a car accident, most people survive. In a car accident, only about 6 people are at jepardy. In a plane crash, multiply that jepardy by at least 10, with marginal chance of survival. Riding in a plane is no way similar to riding in a bus. The Pucker factor is different. the accident rate is different. The method is different. Now, comes the A380, double decker jet aeroplane with 800 souls aboard. Hmmm, why does TITANIC come to mind here? Take the plane, No Thanks, I'll stay on wheels thank you very much. The chances are better down here. cd | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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CD - Ian may have to delete your post before Maisie sees it - Ian it looks like you'll be driving again this year - Niles | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
From Northern Illinois, the drive is 18 hours to Orlando Fla. I won't fly it for the above reasons, besides, I travel with my two Greyhounds. Animal travel in a plane is Another story, sad but true. Sorry Maisie, for me, its the long road. Besides I like traveling with my dogs. They are my kids. Even the Vet had a hard time getting rid of me when my dog had surgery. LOL, well, they're all I have anymore so they deserve the attention. Besides, as long as I can keep the wheels on the road, its great scenery, and all the comforts of home. So why would IAN want to say an a nasty ole motel room anyway??? lol cd | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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AAAHHHH....memories...yeah....everything about flying is weird....try going thru security with legs braces on....&....try telling them 'before' you step thru that phone booth thingy....& ...watch security STORM you when the buzzer goes crazy............. I haven't flown much since contenental airlines killed my brother in 1987...GOOGLE "flight 1713" | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I@N....if ANYBODY should go to bussin' in a bus.....It should be YOU....want me to come get you next year ??? | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
Hey, Easy there 2Dawgs IAN, being the interprizing person that he is, could be running Another fine board, proclaiming all the joys and excitement of flying(minus the editing of any bad stuff that comes along), as far as you know. And you know the "PNO (Plane Nuts Online)" board is ran with the same care and integrity as this board is. Of course it is noticable absent of the "EPlace" comments, just as you find (or not) here. Check out the "Plane Conversions In Process" section. Is that the Spruce Goose being converted by Mr. I B Goofy?? What a job. And of course the Award Winning section "Places We Fly To". The Classified section is a place to list Slightly used planes for sale (no warrentee), and complete with pictures. Oh, you think that pic of a plane only has one wing on it? Must be a bad shot. Errr, look at the next pic. Notice the economy model, great price. None of the overpriced expensive extras like Landing gear. You use the hatch in the floor and when you land, everybody starts running. Another feature section is "Hints for the PLANE NUT". I found interesting the creative actions when the plane drops an engine. NO, this is before the plane takes off. And an unusual section, "Hints for the Plane Conversionist". I noticed that there is not a big emphasis on Painting the plane. Something about Paint being HEAVY. Funny how the PNO site mirrors the infamous BNO board. I guess if you have a good thing, you don't change it, huh? Yes, IAN is quite the creative person. Thanks IAN, you are the BOARD MASTER.... cd | ||
| niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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CD - you forgot the dual interest people - the pilot on PNO who also has a bus - but keeps posting on the board how much better Bus Nuts do things - and don't forget the guy w/ the articulating plane - and the handy tips in DO IT YOURSELF MAINTENANCE section and SOUTH OF THE BORDER MEDICAL (get your ticket punched and your plumbing cleaned at the same time)LISTINGS - I'm not totally sure about the WVO jet fuel claims yet though - Niles | ||
| Buswarrior (Buswarrior)
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Two Dogs, You escaped from prison with those leg braces on, and tried to take a flight? I had you pegged for a guy who would make his escape in an old pick-up truck with a gun rack... happy coaching! buswarrior | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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you have been watching too much t.v. | ||
| Jim Bob Rating: N/A |
TWODOGS, You mean you don't have the gun rack installed in THIS pickup yet? Jim-Bob | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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you guys sure can fantasize...tune in next week for another episode of As the stomache turns.. | ||
| gusc Rating: N/A |
\Bob, I thought I knew all Cessna models, what is a 250?? How did a goose hitting the front of the wing take out the flaps on the back of the wing? Just curious? All the times I ever flew into Independence MO they had a nice hard surface runway? It is a great story though. The most dangerous part of flying is the drive to the airport! | ||
| Bob Oakman (Bobsbus)
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Gusc, Cesna 275? I duno... 6 passenger, variable pitch prop, red & white. It was a 2-something. I flew a 150 twice, so I remember that number, but the bigger one, I only rode in on the fore-mentioned trip. I wish I could remember the name of the small airport in Independence. All I know is that it was the mid 70's, the runway was short and gravel, there was a club based there that rented a Cesna 150 and 185, and there was an older gentleman, probably dead now, that flew a twin engine out of there, and delivered dead bodies to grieving loved ones. I don't know how the damage to the front of the wing took the flaps out. Could it possibly have damaged some gadgets inside the wing that control flaps? I just remember hearing, "we have to land without flaps, they don't work. it's gonna' be fast. Hang on". Maybe it was God's punishment for the pilot flying IFR without an IFR rating. So anyway, when we touched down, the plane was not facing forward, because of a wicked cross-wind. Each time we bounced, I thought the wheels would tear off. Adventure... | ||
| CoryDaneRTS Rating: N/A |
(" The most dangerous part of flying is the drive to the airport! ") ..... I don't understand why this silly statement keeps coming up. This has been touched upon in the previous statements. Guy at work got his license to fly. Got up in the air, was flying around in this "safe" plane and the engine went out. Now, too far from the air port, highway bumper to bumper, residential area mostly. Found a dirt farm road and went for it. Landing was bumpy, wings scraping and hit a farm fence gate. Pucker facter on scale 1 to 10 was 20. Plane was totaled and he had to change his drawers, wasn't so sure the pilot license was such a hot idea..... And said was a lucky landing. However I will admit, I WOULD fly in a private plane, though I would have to be talked into it. I doubt I will ever fly in a commercial plane again. Too much against them, FAA allowing planes to fly that are known to have fatal problems, Maintenance delay due to cost, oh heck it goes on. And they keep running the shows about this on tv. The safest part of your flight was THE DRIVE TO the airport. though I will admit, the saftey factor changes to the better in a private plane versus those commercial death traps. Sure, they make a lot of successful flights, every day. But when a full jumbo crashes, they kill more people in one plane than any auto crash ever could. Probably compared to all the people in a large HOTEL versus the amount of people in ONE HOTEL ROOM. And the majority of auto crashes are "walk away". Plane crashes, well, once in a while I hear about someone surviving out of the other hundreds of passengers not so lucky. At least if your wheels are on the ground, you can't fall out of the sky. If you crash in a car/bus, its at 50mph or under, HOW FAST DO PLANES FALL? hmmm, back to the PNO site. nice article on stuffing yourself in your bagage for crash position, just in case... cd | ||
| Macgyver (91flyer)
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I've been watching a show called "Air Emergency" lately... It's an in-depth review of some major crashes, each show pivoting on a different incident... Very interesting stuff. -Mac |