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linda alexander (Noopdoggy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 1:07 pm: | |
OK, went to dmv (joke) in Gainesville, Florida (bigger joke)to find out about registering the ole 4905 as an rv. I was told I had to drive it all the way down to Ocala to have a dmv inspection. Then they asked about receipts for things we put in the bus? huh? we stripped another rv for the bus, ....anyway before I trek down to ocala bus in hand, has anyone here been thru the experience of actually registering a bus that the title they were given is the original bus title and turned it into an rv.How much did you have to pay for tax,license etc... Please let me know what to expect, and what to drag along with me, Gainesville really sucks in every way, can't wait to be outta here! grrrrrrrrr!! Lin |
TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 1:13 pm: | |
get a polaroid camera..take pictures of the interior ..especialy the toliet...show to a KNOWAGEABLE dmv person...sometimes ya' have to go to two or three dmv offices before you find one that is awake |
captain ron (Captain_ron)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 1:34 pm: | |
you should be able to get a form from dmv and any deputy sherriff in the state of florida can look at bus and sign paper off for you. I'll check with the dmv in FM and call you tommorrow Linda. |
R. Steve Nichol (N4rsn)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:14 pm: | |
I never had to much trouble with my 4106. I took some pictures, the title, which said it was a commerical bus, and my insurance card. I had everything stripped out of the bus. I had it liesenced as an RV. They tried to tell me I couldn't do that, but I told them I can, and they believed them.
Florida is the most incompantant DMV in the country. I am sure they have a hard time finding such people.
They might tell you you need a toilet, and sleeping, and cooking facilities. It so be sure and put a portapotty, a coleman stove, and a bed of some sort, for the pictures.
Another thing I have found to help in Florida, is to call in advance, than get the name of the person you talk to. If one DMV office can not satisfie you, call another one. They don't know which end is up most of the time.
Hope some of this helps. It can be done
Steve N4RSN |
dug
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:44 pm: | |
I signed an affidavit stating that I had 1 of the following: electric hookup, water tank, or bathroom.
They did look at it.
I had no problems.
Dug
75 MC8
Arcadia, FL |
Sojourner (Jjimage)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:17 pm: | |
I told DeSoto County Tax Collector's Office in Arcadia Fl. That I want to change title from bus to motorhome class. So they call in an appointment to have sheriff come at home to inspect that is MCI-8, match serial number (lose plate from chassis) and seen unfinished.
Sojourner (ex-bus) is in bare frame w/no-skin.
He oks it and new classified is MotorHome. That the easy part now to finish & back on road is hard part,
FWIW
Sojourn for Christ, Jerry |
niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:00 pm: | |
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL= Ch0320/SEC01.HTM&Title=->2004->Ch0320->Section%2001#0320.01
you would sign an affidavit that your vehicle is a private motor coach" under F.S. 320.01(1)(B)5 - then do the standard title and registration work - no big deal - Niles |
Richard Bowyer (Drivingmisslazy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:02 pm: | |
I had a company in Ft. Lauderdale that handles licenses and titles do mine. I never even went to DMV. I ususpect there are private companies like this thruout Florida. If so, the small fee that they charge is well worth it. No hassles at all.
Richard |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:59 pm: | |
I walked in and told 'em I had a 1979 MCI motorhome shell.
They wrote the reg and title, and -they- wrote the weight as
19k, since "all the "diesel pushers are usually registered as
that weight". I had to sign a paper stating I would be adding
the toilet, stove, etc and be using the unit as an RV (motorhome).
The VID was verified by the insurance company and signed off.
Any officer can sign the verification sheet for the VID; the vehicle
does not need to be driven to any Florida DMV, nor does any
Florida DMV person have to "inspect it". (Per FL MV law).
Bah-dah-bing; bah-dah-boom. |
niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:09 pm: | |
JTNG - it is technically (in FLA) a "PRIVATE MOTOR COACH" and does not have to have anything except less than 15 seats - if they just print the statute above and bring it with them - all they have to do is sign an affidavit that it is "...... primarily designed ........(you know the rest)" - and you are correct - no inspection necessary - GVW should be what is posted on your Man. Data Plate - no more no less - Niles |
linda alexander (Noopdoggy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:24 pm: | |
Wow I AM amazed at all the different scenarios,You don't have to tell me about backassward Florida, for a town,Gainesville, which is suppose to be so "college oriented/smart headed" everything seems to be a chore, they get all thier civil help from the bottom of the barrel...barring just a few. Tomorrow we are going to the other dmv and just tell them we need the form for the sheriif to sign off on our vin and that we have motorhome stuff in our bus, since our bus IS done, this isn't a problem. Guess we have to tell them what to do, if that don't do it, someone give me the name of a registration/title business to "git er done" for me..LOL Lin
PS I lived in hokey pokey 1 horse town in arkansas, which does NOT have dmv's just a guy who comes to town once a week, and never had any problems registering any type oddball vehicles,and no one ever looked at them..geez |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:57 pm: | |
The weight on the reg or title is strictly for taxation purposes
and has no bearing on the weight you are permitted to carry,
or the weight being carried on each axle.
That statement was repeated at each of two Florida DMV
offices by the manager of each; repeated again by officers of
the two Florida DMV offices.
I would not want to pay taxes for a vehicle heavier than the
weight my vehicle actually is.... And, although their figure was
arbitrary and not actual (this is a shell, not a finished product),
there are no legal repercussions of having accepted their figure.
I -can- have it weighed at a later date, if I so choose.... |
captain ron (Captain_ron)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:23 pm: | |
Florida does not have motor home plates, truck plates or trailer plates they all are the same.
only semi plates are different |
DMDave
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:06 pm: | |
Linda, call the tag office in Ocala and ask if MaryAnn is still a supervisor there. If you can get her she was very helpfull to us. Remember all your midsouth courtesies when dealing with these folks. You can find a good one once in awhile. Dave |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:20 pm: | |
Linda: Follow Niles advise, he gives you the law citation that controls, and with that you need nothing more. Don't complicate matters, take some good solid advise and follow it.
Is Florida as screwed up as the news and all these comments I see at times on here would indicate. If so, I would seriously consider moving back to the States! |
niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:44 am: | |
James - thanks - I try to give only the facts - sometimes we try to 'go along' to 'get along' when we actualy need to hold the government to the law - no more, no less - when one of us gives in it makes it harder for the rest of us - I am not a scofflaw - I follow the law - but there is only one interpretation - the LITERAL interpretation - not making the bureaucrats follow the law only makes matters worse for the rest of us -
JTNG - there is no difference in the cost of registering a "Private Motor Coach" by any weight - its all the same - private vehicles are not taxed by weight per se - in Fla it is actually illegal for any 'tax collector' (local tag agency) to change the GVW of any vehicle which is different than the Manufacturers declared GVW -
People - what a newly hired, inexperienced, uneducated bureaucrat 'demands' you do to register your vehicle is often not required by law - ask to speak to their supervisor and eventually you will prevail - and I will be forever in your debt - this is not a rant - we are a very small minority of the populace and therefore have to learn to deal with people unfamiliar with our 'sport' - lets educate them - and make it easier for the next guy/gal - Niles |
John that oldguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 2:15 am: | |
Niles-
This isn't up to date, but should suffice:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/financialplanning/revenue/taxprimer/200301/Tax_Primer_JAN-2003. pdf
Note:
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Motor Vehicle License Fee Annual Vehicle Registrations Based on vehicle weight
(F.S. 320.08, 320.20 )
(Const, Art. XII. Sec. 9(d)(3))
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Page 23 of 40 should give you the breakdown of charges for weight.
Although vague, the weight of the unfinished motor coach may or
may not fall to regulations and taxation of common truck chassis
vehicles. For that reason, the DMV suggested using the most
common weight given for a "diesel pusher", rather than use the
manufacturer's weight classification of a fully seated and marketed
for hire vehicle (bus). The vehicle as manufactured and sold, is of
much heavier weight, than as it is stripped to it's shell, or modified
thereafter as a "motorhome". Since no weight measurement can
be taken in it's unfinished state, the arbitrary weight legally suffices
for all practical purposes. |
James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 2:49 am: | |
JTOG: As a matter of law, nothing arbitrary can be legal! Vague is another concept that is not generally considered legal. Your use of the term "common truck chassis vehicles" makes me wonder if u are applying the correct statute here. Do they register Winnabegos and Pace Arrows by weight classification in Florida? |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 5:49 am: | |
Come on down to Glades County , Moore Haven courthouse.
Nothing but a FL drivers license , the old title , and TELLING the nice lady "its an RV".
You even get to decide the weight , if you want to risk light bridges.
No sweat , No hassle , they just take your currency.
Works for me ., stop by ORTONA , and see the gators, when your here.
FAST FRED |
John that PIA
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:10 am: | |
James-
I'm not going to do battle beyond this post, but do feel obligated
to respond (being the pain in the ass that I am).
I don't think you read what I typed
And....
The Gubberment uses an arbitrary ideology in their formation
of legislation, historically and usually. Age limits are arbitrary.
Taxation of citizens at large for sales/purchases is in itself, an
arbitrary manner of taxation. The 16th Amendment has been
used arbitrarily. The list is endless. That aside.....
"Linda" will be taking a vehicle that isn't a "bus" and isn't an "RV"
and is, in it's present condition, in limbo as far as the "law" is
concerned. The weight she must use as the weight of the vehicle
cannot be found without re-weighing the vehicle. The manufacturer's
weight (as a bus) no longer applies and the vehicle does not have
inside, what would be normally be found inside an RV.
The weight they used for the title and registration for my unfinished
shell, is that which would apply for the most common "finished"
and "converted" vehicle of this type. That figure was arbitrarily set,
greater than what the vehicle actually weighs with original equipment
removed. The figure is for vehicle taxation and has absolutely nothing to
do with road use law. My wife's car; my Caravan; your personal
vehicles (cars), all have a weight on their title and registration. That
figure does not tell you what weight can be carried, it is only the
weight of the vehicle and cited for taxation purposes.
When you are charged for an overweight violation, the weight being
carried in your vehicle is in excess of what can be carried on each
or combined axle(s); it is in excess of what a particular roadway
allows to be carried on each or combined axle(s).
Cheers, man/ |
Doug Dickinson (Dougd470)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:42 am: | |
One word of caution about registering less than the actual GVW - if you happen to get weighed in Illinois or some other state that would weigh a motor home, you could be overweight for your title, which could create a problem for you (ticket, re-register, etc). Since it doesn't cost more to use full weight - do yourself a favor and use the GVW rating on the coach name plate. You will be happy you did. It only takes one less-than-knowing cop to ruin your day.
Doug
St Louis MC9 |
niles steckbauer (Niles500)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 2:53 pm: | |
Okay Jtng -
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL= Ch0320/SEC08.HTM&Title=->2004->Ch0320->Section%2008#0320.08
jeez - you really make me work - I said "... private vehicles are not taxed by weight per se..."
If you look at F.S. 320.08(9)(e) - the only difference in registration is a motor coach w/ a net weight above or below 4500# - HERE'S A GOOD ?????????????? - HOW MANY 3 AXLE BUSES W/ A NET WEIGHT UNDER 4500# DO YOU SUPPOSE HAVE BEEN REGISTERED TO DATE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA -
I gots to see any you find - Niles |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 5:03 pm: | |
Doug-
Moot point.
Example: I cannot be charged in NY for a missing inspection
sticker while driving a vehicle that is registered in the State of Florida.
Likewise, my Florida registration (or title) may be considered
valid proof of ownership by other states (by reciprocal agreement),
but the information on it cannot be held to other state's requirements
or scrutiny.
The weight on that piece of paper means little, with exception to
taxation purposes by the issuing state.
I do not know of many individuals that carry their vehicle title
in their vehicle. In fact, the issuing MV offices all advise against
doing so.
You are absolutely correct regarding "newbie cops". An overzealous
officer can make your day lousy, but he could do that with or without
your "correct paperwork".
Nilesy-
The gal said: "I can write it for the original weight (as a bus), but
you'll pay a lot more and it's not a bus."
And it ain't an RV yet either. And that was the point. It -is- registered
as a motor coach and did require a weight entry. Automobile titles
and registrations also require a weight entry. If that entry exceeds
what is normal for a vehicle of that type, the computer will not accept
that figure; extra charges will be applied.
Jeez man... Been there; done that; got the mug. Youse arguin' apples
and onions from the back of the turnip truck. |
Doug Dickinson (Dougd470)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 1:32 pm: | |
John
I don't disagree with the first 2 points, but what I was getting at was that if you are caught overweight in ANY state (that is overweight compared to what the registration may say) OR to what the ratings of the vehicle are, you can encounter problems. By reciorocity, the vehicle must comply to the state of origin regulations. The computer may have problems accepting the weight, but that is a DMV problem. Fix the problem.
THe point was, since the weight does not impact cost for the tag, then I suggest go for the full weight and avoid one more possible problem.
You can be cited for being overweight for your registration in any state. Ask any trucker.
Doug |
linda alexander (Noopdoggy)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 4:06 pm: | |
OK, I now legally own my 4905a motorhome!....Called Ocala, the fellow there said, just go back to your local tag office and give them this info, title section #13 page 05. Then you just sign an affidavit that we will have a toilet,110, and cooking facilities. So I marched back to the office grinning at the ole codger that told me the BS the day before, and promptly went to a nice young lady that did it all with her supervisors help, and her other supervisors help, paid my fees and just when they were handing me my plates, one says oh my North Carolina statute requires titles to be notorized. Yours isn't,we can't do this.... Now I bought mine from Easters in Virginia, and it came with a piedmont NC title. The other girl and I look and say they don't require a signature from the buyer on the title so what are you suppose to get notorized?? Everyone argued back and forth, suggestions were thrown out to send the title back to the dealer to get notorized, but by who and for what? Well when I confronted them with reporting back to the Ocala branch this nonsense, they disappeared, and one girl cam back and said well since we screwed it up yesterday, we'll just let it go, and they gave me my reg and plate!!!...I believe they didn't want anyone knowing how DUMB they are!!! and then I left shaking my head, BUT WITH PLATE NEW PLATE! YEEEEHAAA!!!! Now to fill er up before I can't afford it!!! Lin |
John that newguy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 6:54 pm: | |
Oh great. Here we are arguing; spending all our time trying to help.....
and -SHE- goes out and does the job....
Women~~~~~~ |
Ethan Tuttle (Mrert)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 10:16 pm: | |
Iowa was a brezze to register as an RV. went in with the title in hand and told them i was changing it into a rv. They asked if all the seats would be taken out and what would be put in? told them and paid the $15 transfer fee and $65 registration fee! and new Iowa plates are on the bus! |
Stephen Fessenden (Sffess)
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 1:26 pm: | |
I only had to fill out an afidavait. If the bus is from out of state, that is why you need a DMV inspection. |
Jtng
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 6:09 pm: | |
Mine was from Tennessee; no Fl dmv insp. |
FAST FRED
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 5:50 am: | |
An RV (or any vehicle) can be registered in Fl while still in any state.
You have any cop verify the VIN number on a FL form .DONE
Not difficult "Officer KRUPKY" did ours many times.
FAST FRED |