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| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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Down the topics page a bit is a thread on Dual Engine ratings. I started that thread because of some very strong concerns about damaging my drop box during the full throttle dyno emission test (Series 60 engine) that is required in our part of Colorado. Every time I even think about our requirement for a dyno emission test in Colorado ($95-125 per year) and all of the hassle, my blood pressure and attitude get way out of control!!! I am all for clean air, but most folks consider that this test only fails very bad engines and does not do much to help our enviornent. After I described the test on the other post and noted that I wish that I could have an option, the light bulb went on. We own a time share in Florida. We have a deed and that has an address and we pay taxes on the condo. Would the time share be a LEGAL justification for registering the Bus in Florida? Are there any drawbacks? The bus is currently registered as a motorhome in Colorado. I would assume that classification would transfer. I suspect I would need to have it inspected, but I could do that on our way to Bussin 2006. If no inspection is required, I could think about doing it next week since we will be in Florida. Thoughts/comments? Thanks, Jim Shepherd Evergreen, CO ’85 Eagle 10 http://rvsafetysystems.com Bus Project details: http://www.rvsafetysystems.com/busproject.htm (updated 2/17/05) | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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are you sure it's for diesel?...I had a diesel Mercedes in Ca. & there was NO smog test for diesels...none in Texas either... | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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ALL states are different...weird thing about Texas is you have to have a Texas drivers licence to register a vehicle in Texas....no idea about Fla. | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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sorry to keep posting...on a regular diesel...you can have it turned down to 300 h.p. & back up after the exam... don't know that much about ddec | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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DAMN....here I go again....almost ALL big trucks are registered in one state (ILL) ??...because they have very low licence fees & no smog tests...talk to a trucker | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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TD, I can't be sure about small cars, but pickups on up have to have the dyno test. I built a motorhome on an IHC medium truck chassis a few years ago and the state would not issue plates (or renew) until the test was done each year. The same was true with the bus last year. The 6V92 passed just fine, and I know the Series 60 would pass, but it would not take much thoughtless blasting on the throttle to put the drop box at risk. Jim | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I understand that....the BIG trucking companys register in ONE state...no resedency required,low licence fees, no inpection...wish I could remember what state....I'm old | ||
| James Maxwell (Jmaxwell)
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Jim: Since you're close, why not consider an LLC in Montana. Fees are low and they don't know the meaning of the word inspection. You're travelling for business situation lends itself perfectly to a Montana LLC. If interested drop a line off board and I'll give u a contact of someone who has done it. I'm familiar w/the process by contacting a lawyer, but this contact says it is relatively simple and cheap to set it up yourself. You can include other vehicles also, like a tow, or a cargo hauler. I know another person who splits his time btwn. CA and AZ, has CA driver's license w/a Yuma address, a car registered in each state and his tow car and bus registered in Montana. No problems in several yrs. | ||
| Mike (Busone)
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Jim, I know you pain about Colorado. I grew up here and the emission thing has always been a pain. I remember my dad with his old car always having to tinker with it to get it to pass. The other thing that really burns me up is the "red" pollution days that you are not supposed to use your wood stove. | ||
| Jon W. Rating: N/A |
While this topic is prompted by an effort to avoid a smog test, there have been a myriad of reasons why owners of everything from motorhmes to planes to yachts have registered these in states other than the one in which the owner is domiciled. As a result there are a lot of opinions floating around about what is legal and what you can and can't do. A lot of high end "toys" are owned by Delaware Corporations. A lot of registered vehicles are registered in the state of the owner's second home, and legally driven by that owner despite the fact he is licensed to drive in his home state. At one time a bunch of very expensive motorhomes were registered in Oregon so the owners could avoid sales tax in their home states. I think the circumstances will dictate what makes the most sense, and if registering a coach in Florida to an address owned by the coach owner seems prudent then that would be the way to go. If the only reason for doing this was to avoid a $150 annual test I wouldn't waste my time. If it saved me $20,000 in sales tax I would do it in a flash. Hypotheticaly speaking of course. | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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Jon, the emission test is a huge issue. The cost and hassle are an issue, but real issue is my strong fear of damage to the bus. Plate renewal cost each year is only $118, so that is not an issue. As I noted in my first post, any change in state of registration has to be LEGAL before I will even consider the option. Before I make any drastic decisions, I will talk to the DD folks (Stewart and Stevenson). They know Eagle busses and will do the test. Thanks to all who have responded. Keep the comments coming. Jim | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
No inspections in Florida. No diesel dyno; no nuttin' for a private vehicle. Massachusetts will revoke the license of a resident vehicle owner that registers the vehicle in another state. Check what your state does.... or tries to do.. Big bro' is gettin' too big for it's britches... As far as pollution, smog, and other environmental factors? Commifornia is in a state of runaway government power. I wish you well. It sounds like Colorado's headed the same direction.. If the US proclaims 2 stroke diesels a hazard to health, we'll all have wasted our time resurrecting these old beasts... | ||
| John tng Rating: N/A |
Oh hey..... JIM... http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/dmv/ansmotor.html | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Oh.... and.... All of us in Florida would appreciate it, if yall from the north that register ve-hickels down here would take a few hundred roaches back with ya' when yall go.. | ||
| Don/TX
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By TWODOGS (Twodogs) (4.227.2.155) on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 4:02 pm: Edit Post "ALL states are different...weird thing about Texas is you have to have a Texas drivers licence to register a vehicle in Texas....no idea about Fla." Not so Two Dogs, I have a number of friends with no Texas drivers license, and they have all their vehicles registered in Texas, tax avoiding is the motive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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I can't even register my car unless I'm in the same(home) county....(Russ had the same problem) | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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hey evergreen...you should have gone to see catskinner before you started...I might be wrong ,but I think he put a truck rear end in his Eagle... | ||
| Sean Welsh (Sean)
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Jim, What you can and can't get away with has to do with the law in CO, and, to a lesser extent, in FL. I suggest you consult your tax advisor in CO for the best answer. Many states levy sanctions, up to and including criminal charges, against citizens who deliberately "move" assets out of state to evade taxes. The state with which I am most familiar is my (thankfully) ex-domicile of CA, which is particularly agressive in pursuing this. CA also has some of the strongest emissions laws -- different department, but equally agressive. My attorney and tax advisor were in complete agreement about some sound advice: it's best not to pick-and-choose different states for different purposes (e.g. title coach in Oregon, vote in Wyoming, license business in Montana, etc.), which tends to invite scrutiny and possibly legal trouble from at least one of the venues. When we went full-time, we shopped around for a state based on moving everything there, lock, stock, and barrel. So if it's permissable under CO law for a CO resident to own (and operate within CO) a motor vehicle titled elsewhere, and FL let's you own a vehicle without needing a FL license or whatever, then you have your answer. I suspect, by the way, that pieces of the governing law will be buried in at least three places -- your states motor vehicle code, its environmental code, and its business and professions code. Good luck! -Sean | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
Jim- Keep in mind, that your wife or child can register as owner and operator in another state...and you can use the vehicle in the state you reside in. As long as you don't make a commotion at home, perhaps using a storage facility for parking, etc., to not call attention to the fact the bus is parked in state 24/7/365, there shouldn't be a problem.. Florida has no residency requirements as far as I know; Many "snowbirds" register their cars and RVs here to save some cash. | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
Florida has no residency requirements as far as I know; Many "snowbirds" register their cars and RVs here to save some cash. True enough , but I believe they get FL drivers licenses , in order to register the vehicle. FL has FL ONLY licenses (for folks that work in the state for over 3 months) that could work. FAST FRED | ||
| Don/TX
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Almost the same in Texas Fred, but virtually NONE of them have Texas drivers license. Texas loves out of state money for the fees, could care less if you can even drive, let alone where. Kansas is the same, you can register and title a vehicle there, regardless of where or even if you have a drivers license. (Two Dogs, the RV parked next to you all winter is a good example, Hans has a German license, Christianne has a Texas license, notice their license plates are from Kansas, I got them myself) | ||
| TWODOGS (Twodogs)
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it was a good example alright....  | ||
| JimH Rating: N/A |
Please check on South Dakota for reg. Cheap to do, on residences requirement, you can do it by mail using your home address, low sales tax aso (3%)- cheaper insurance also. No tests required. | ||
| Jim Shepherd (Rv_safetyman)
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Thanks to everyone for lots of good things to consider. If you are also following the Dual HP thread, you will see that I have talked myself into having much less of a concern about the drop box. TD, I addressed the Sonnie Gray comment in that thread by mistake. I just feel too uncomfortable with changing the registration to another state. At the start of the thread, I mentioned that we have a condo in Florida that has a deed and we pay taxes, but it is still a stretch to change registration. Thanks again to all who contributed!! Jim | ||
| John that newguy Rating: N/A |
With that condo, it's no stretch at all! | ||
| FAST FRED Rating: N/A |
If you become a "resident" FL drivers license the county will knock off $25,000 from the tax value of your "Homestead". If your old state doesnt offer this it might be enough to "move". Also FL has the GREAT conciled carry laws if you desire the ability to legally carry a weapon. Works for me , in about 25 rational states the privleges are recriprocal. FAST FRED |